Srebrenica video exposed as a HOAX by US based Emperor's Clothes research group - Al Qaeda linked Bosnian muslims BOAST about the mass murder of Serbs
Just thought I'd remind you of the August 14, 2005 broadcast of the Australian version of CBS' Sixty Minutes, comparing the Srebrenica "massacre" with the Nazi crimes of the Holocaust. And the "proof" for such a statement? The now infamous "atrocity video" tape.
Not a word from Sixty Minutes' Richard Carleton about Bosnian muslim "warlord" and mass murderer, Naser Oric, who brutally murdered [with axes,knives and hammers] over 3,800 Serbian civilians - many of them women & children - in villages surrounding Srebrenica from 1992 to 1995.
Srebrenica/Zvornik region: The body of a Bosnian Serb boy murdered by Nasir Oric's forces in the Srebrenica pocket in eastern Bosnia.
The decapitated head of Bosnian Serb farmer Pero Makic, who was executed by Bosnian Muslim/Croat forces in the northeastern Bosnian city of Brcko on June 22, 1992. His head was placed on a pitch-fork and a cigarette was placed in his mouth. One of the forks of the pitch-fork was stabbed in his eye. This is a photo that was censored and suppressed in the West and the US.
The body of Bosnian Serb civilian Kostadinka Grcic, executed by Bosnian Muslim forces by stabbing her in the chest.
The Milici Massacre, south of Srebrenica. Bosnian Muslim troops executed Bosnian Serbs and mutilated their bodies. On left, Ljubomir Jurosevic had his right eye cut out by Bosnian Muslim soldiers and his neck and chest showed signs of knife wounds. On right, the mutilated body of Bosnian Serb Dimitrije Alempic from Rogosije, who was executed by Bosnian Muslim soldiers. His body was mutilated and burned.
Of course, not a word from Mr.Carleton of the Australian Sixty Minutes program, about the Bill Clinton instigated Krajina expulsion of 275,000 to 350,000 Serbian civilians, carried out by the late Franjo Tudjman after getting the green light from Bill Clinton via US ambassador to Croatia, Peter Galbraith.
Funny how poor old Richard Carleton failed to mention these Al Qaeda Mujahedeen "Islamist Jihad" Bosnian warriors, who incidentally were trained by, and have DIRECT LINKS to Osama bin Laden and the perpetrators of 9/11 - VIDEO TAPING THEMSELVES MURDERING Serbs, Romanies, and Bosnian muslims who refused the Islamist extremism of the late Alija Izetbegovic and instead allied themselves with the moderate muslim leader, Fikret Abdic. See also the reports by the Defense & Foreign Affairs Group - part of the prestigious Washington DC-based International Strategic Studies Association at http://www.strategicstudies.org
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http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/video.wmv
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=zlocin_50520
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Funny how poor old Richard Carleton also forgot to mention how these gruesome videos are openly sold TO THIS DAY in Bosnian Cultural Centers. Funny how he also forgot to mention that during the late 1990's [1997] the Bosnian muslim MAINSTREAM magazine known as "Svijet" [or "World"] openly BOASTED, BRAGGED about and LAUDED the Bosnian muslim NAZI PAST [i.e. their alliance with Adolf Hitler and his formation of several Bosnian muslim SS divisions; one of the most notorious for its shocking brutality was known as the "13th SS HANDZAR" [Scimitar or Dagger] division responsible for the gruesome mass murders of Serbs, Jews, and Romanies during World War 2.
It just so happens that Alija Izetbegovic RESURRECTED this NAZI SS DIVISION back in the early 90's at the beginning of the war with not a word said by Bill Clinton or George H.W. Bush [Bush Snr] or NATO or the corporate-controlled mainstream media [surprise, surprise].
See the photographs published by this MAINSTREAM Bosnian muslim magazine at the URL link below:
http://emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/svijet.htm
Also, see the below links for further details of the late Alija Izetbegovic's loyal Muslim warlord Naser Oric, BRAGGING about and SHOWING OFF VIDEOS of himself MURDERING Serbs in and around Srebrenica to Western reporters.
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/fulltext.htm
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/
See below for my response to the Sixty Minutes broadcast concerning this alleged
"smoking gun" video.
Anyway, the URL for the Sixty Minutes story by their reporter, Mr. Richard Carleton, is available at:
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2005_08_14/story_1471.asp
Just to let you know, Mr. Carleton is the Australian equivalent of David Rohde and Christiane Amanpour of CNN, rolled into one.
Have a look at the intro/promo to the broadcast, with Mr. Carleton explicitly invoking Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust:
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" We are certain you will have great difficulty believing what you are about to see, a home movie of the most appalling crime in Europe since the days of Adolf Hitler. The war in Bosnia ended 10 years ago last month. That war climaxed with the massacre of 8000 men and boys from the town of Srebrenica. The men who committed some of those murders videotaped themselves doing it. They were a Serbian paramilitary unit called, appropriately enough, the Scorpions. This tape is irrefutable proof there are barbarians still amongst us, committing crimes almost beyond forgiveness. Some scenes from the tape could distress some viewers..."
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Being half Jewish and an anti-interventionist Libertarian, I take great exception to this hijacking of the Holocaust by Mr. Carleton & the Australian Sixty Minutes program, in support of those Balkan leaders -such as the late Iranian & Al Qaeda- backed Alija Izetbegovic- who allied himself with the leaders of governments of nations that want to see all Jews "pushed into the sea" and who proclaim that Israel "should be wiped off the map". I also take great exception to those who attempt to smear and destroy the character of anybody who exposes these Globalist frauds and crimes as "being like a Holocaust denier" [such as the late Croatian president,Franjo Tudjman,for example].
The Holocaust of millions of Jews, European Slavs and tens of millions of Russians during WW2, has hundreds of thousands of documents from archival material, sourced from the perpetrators of the crime - Nazi Germany and its WW2 satellites - to back it up. In the case of the Balkans, these include the Ustasha Independent State of Croatia and the Bosnian muslim SS Handzar & Kama divisions, and the Albanian SS Skanderbeg divisions, after these Nazi thugs were defeated in 1945. See 'Hiding Genocide:
Croatia has resumed its "liquidation" of Serbs, while arguing that "ethnic cleansing" is a Serbian creation"'
To compare that with a dirty civil war in the Balkans, in which ALL sides were guilty of violating the Geneva Conventions [but only ONE side - the Serbs - were condemned & demonized], to the enormity of the SYSTEMATIC & industrial scale crime of the Nazi genocide of millions of Jews and Slavs throughout Europe and the former Soviet Union is a grossly offensive distortion of the truth.
Anyone making this comparison of Bosnia/Srebrenica to the WW2 Holocaust is incomparably WORSE than a real "Holocaust denier" [such as the late Croatian president, Franjo Tudjman, British author, David Irving, or the current Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad].
Anyway, here's the UNCENSORED Srebrenica "atrocity video" [see http://www.lopare.net/srebrenica.wmv]that Bush, Clinton, NATO/EU and their Islamist terrorist ALLIES in Bosnia and Kosovo would NOT want you to see. Why? Because it clearly shows it's a fake.Sound far-fetched or absurd? Not if you know a dirty little SECRET.
You see we're still currently helping Al Qaeda maintain its base of operations in those areas, and we've been doing so since the early 90's - when Clinton became President- to smash Serbian and Macedonian resistance to US, NATO/EU occupation. "What the..?!" you may say. You mean CBS' Sixty Minutes or CNN's Christiane Amanpour never told you about any of that? Tsk, tsk, tsk..
See "US PROTECTS AL QAEDA TERRORISTS IN THE BALKANS" at:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/PAS111A.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BIS111A.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/DOM204A.html
http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1903.htm
http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep0803.htm
http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1703.htm
Anyway, back to the uncensored "atrocity video".
[If the previous link does not work, you can also view the video at this link .If these two links are inaccessible, you can also download the video in "zip" format from http://www.srpskapolitika.com/video/Srebrenica.zip Just right-click on the link and select "Save target as" to download it. Please keep in mind, however, that this version is highly compressed and the quality is therefore quite poor by comparison to the first and second link.]
On the uncensored video, watch the guy in the dark blue/black jacket VERY CAREFULLY.
As he gets "shot" at POINT BLANK range, his jacket flutters about from all the
compressed air flying out of the barrel of a HIGH
POWERED FULLY AUTOMATIC MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLE [machine gun].
Watch it carefully over and over again.See if you can
see ANY bullet HOLES/TEARS/RIPS in his jacket or ANY
blood fall/spurt/splatter ANYWHERE!! [rememeber, these
are HIGH POWERED FULLY AUTOMATIC MILITARY ASSAULT
RIFLES - firing at POINT BLANK range - not cap guns - the amount of soft tissue damage from such a weapon at this range would be DEVASTATING to put it mildly]
While this is going on, simultaneously the gunman on the right of the camera is shooting REAL bullets into the grassy area in front of the supposed shooting "victim" [you can clearly see some grass fly up in front of him].
See if you can see any blood ANYWHERE on THE GRASS as
these men fall "dead"! See if you can see any blood
spurt out ANYWHERE AT ALL - at POINT BLANK range the shooters
would be splattered in the victim's blood - and yet there is not a SINGLE DROP to be seen ANYWHERE.
See if you can HEAR even at least ONE of these men groan/gasp/moan as they are shot
multiple times in the back at POINT BLANK range by a powerful MILITARY assault rifle! [despite the fact that the guy in the dark blue/black jacket is
still able to stand for quite a while before he falls
down, he doesn't utter a sound!].
Even though he is still able to stand upright for almost one and a half to
two seconds [which precludes the possibility of him being killed "instantly"]
after being shot so many times - and at POINT BLANK range - with a powerful, military, fully automatic assault rifle, firing high velocity bullets!!
Incredibly, not only does he NOT even move an inch forward while being shot in the back at point blank range with such a high powered MILITARY rifle firing high velocity bullets, but while standing still he doesn't even utter a PEEP - not the slightest sound - and neither does ANYBODY else as they are being SHOT!
At one point, the Serbian "executioner" says, in the Serbo-Croatian language,
to the two Bosnian muslim "victims" lying down in the grass - who just a few seconds ago,for all intents and purposes, appeared ALREADY dead:
"ajde MOMCI dignite se" [or in English: "Come on BOYS, get up"]
Then, we can see the two "victims" casually get up, unharmed, with no sign of blood on them.
Since when do you use such jovial, amiable, friendly
chit-chat style of talk to people you HATE to the core
so much so that you are just about to EXECUTE them?!!
Or even more bizarre still- to people lying in the grass who ALREADY appeared executed!
Notice also how at the start of the tape [broadcast by the mainstream corporate media] there is a date stamp recorded, yet in the scene of the supposed "massacre" -where the victims are supposedly shot - the date stamp has been conveniently REMOVED - a nice touch.
Also notice how at the start of the tape the audio track slows down to a crawl [making the voices sound deep and garbled] while the video images continue along at normal speed: clear evidence the tape has been doctored & tampered with and explains why the tape was NOT presented as an EXHIBIT at The Hague where its authenticity and origin could be critically cross-examined and exposed to scrutiny.
No wonder this video showed up after 10 years to miraculously coincide with the 10th anniversary of the alleged "Srebrenica massacre" [you see we're having a bit of trouble finding all those 8,000 bodies AFTER TEN YEARS so this home video just had to make do coz we're trying to pin the whole Balkan war "conspiracy" charge thing on ONE MAN: that terrible Milosevic "Hitler incarnate" guy at The Hague - well "conspiracy" is a taboo word, so we called it a "joint criminal enterprise"- it sounds more plausible to the public].
When confronted with all these suspicious discrepancies and inconsistencies placing the tape's authenticity in serious doubt, have a look at the hysterical response and ludicrous answer given by ICTY 'prosecutor' at The Hague, Mr. Geoffrey Nice:
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"...Mr. Nice became extremely agitated when Milosevic called the authenticity of the tape into question. Nice suggested that the tribunal should shut Milosevic up..."
'Reeling from the beating that he took over the tape, Mr. Nice admitted that he did not have any real proof that the tape depicted Srebrenica Muslims being killed in Trnovo in July 1995. But he did say that he would get a witness to testify to the tape's authenticity sometime later on.'
'When confronted with the allegation that the audio on the tape had been doctored, Mr. Nice could only say "We've got what we've got." '
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This so-called "atrocity video" which was miraculously "discovered" after 10 years by a highly tainted and compromised source [the CIA-NED/Soros/Ford Foundation - funded "Humanitarian Law Center" in Belgrade], is as phony as all the "Osama" home videos and the Nick Berg "execution video" - its just that the production values are worse.
See:
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/vid.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/location.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/moves.htm
Q) "...Oh but aren't you DENYING that a massacre took
place, if you 'deny' such 'irrefutable evidence'?!!"
A) "Do you STILL beat your wife?"
[it's called BEGGING THE QUESTION]
http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer1.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/list-s.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/branco-1.htm
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/documents/srebrenica.pdf
The crucial point is this: the so-called "atrocity video" - even if it had been genuine - would NOT constitute proof of what the radical pro-Izetbegovic SDA Islamists claim as established fact: namely, their claim that "8,000 Bosnian muslim men and boys were executed by Bosnian Serbs at Srebrenica". The tape was purportedly a video recording of the paramilitary group, the "Skorpions" from the former Republic of Serbian Krajina, allegedly executing six Bosnian muslims at a location 160 kilometres away from Srebrenica! Here is what Jared Israel, of the Emperor's Clothes research group, pointed out in Part 2 of his meticulously researched article, "Evidence that the Supposed Srebrenica Execution Video is a Lie":
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"If this video footage, and particularly the two scenes depicting a supposed execution, were legitimate, this might constitute smoking gun evidence for a massacre. I say might because the Tribunal and their supporters, i.e., most media, would still need to prove the claim they made, that the supposed victims in the video comprise one of many batches of Muslims brought to the same place and murdered."
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The tape, even if it was authentic - which it clearly isn't - could in no way constitute proof that 8,000 muslim 'Bosniaks' were executed at Srebrenica, which is 160 kilometres away from where the tape was allegedly recorded [Treskavica mountain, near Trnovo]. And that is the crux of the matter.
So the video suddenly appears after 10 YEARS to miraculously coincide with the 10th anniversary of a yet to be proven massacre claim of 8,000 muslims. The video is supplied by an NED-CIA/SOROS funded outfit NOTORIOUS FOR LYING for NATO!
The muslims under the command of Alija Izetbegovic and
Naser Oric MURDER 3,800 Serbian CIVILIANS [elderly
men, women ,and children]with HAMMERS,KNIVES,and AXES
in and around Srebrenica for THREE YEARS and BOAST about it to Western reporters, while the UN looks apathetically on and it's NOT called "GENOCIDE" by the corporate controlled news media.
As they say in some parts of the US: "Please pinch me momma,I must be DREAMING!"
It just so happens that the source of the phony Srebrenica "atrocity video" [that the corporate controlled media would have us believe is genuine evidence of 8,000 Bosnian muslims - "Bosniaks" - executed] and the "Freezer Truck" hoax, is none other than - you guessed it- Natasa Kandic and her NED-CIA/SOROS funded "Humanitarian Law Center".
Funny how the corporate controlled media NEVER ONCE mentioned this NED-CIA/SOROS connection and how the Kandic "Freezer Truck" story has ALREADY LONG AGO BEEN EXPOSED AS A COMPLETE FRAUD by independent researchers all over the world [i.e. unlike Kandic's "Humanitarian Law Center", NOT funded by NATO/NED-CIA/SOROS].
Pity how the corporate controlled media still persists in clinging to the "Are you STILL beating your wife?" style of DISINFORMATION [i.e. to paraphrase: "Surely you don't DENY that you beat your wife - I mean it's common knowledge that you do beat her"].
When applied to the corporate media portrayal of Serbs and Serbia it goes something like this:
"Surely you Serbs don't DENY that you are Nazis who committed genocide in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo? I mean it's common knowledge that you Serbs did all of that, just look at all the evidence shown on TV news, like the Srebrenica 'atrocity video', the 'Belsen 1992' ITN concentration camp footage at Trnopolje, and the transporting of dead Albanian bodies in freezer trucks to Serbia to cover up the crime. Surely you Serbs don't DENY committing genocide with evidence like that all over the news, now do you?"
"Oh, and by the way, I also heard that you STILL beat your wife. Is that true or have you stopped beating her? Surely you don't DENY that you beat her too? So I ask you again, are you STILL beating your wife?"
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"...If you answer "no" you have affirmed that you *had* been beating your wife. And if you say "What are you talking about?" you will look DEFENSIVE to many. Why? Because a question like that makes sense ONLY if it is *common knowledge* that you *had* been beating your wife, and that is what many listeners will infer as true, simply because I asked the quesiton...."
The above paragraph was taken from an article on the 'Emperor's Clothes' website:
"The Propaganda Hypothesis. Is the mainstream Western Media controlled? A close-up analysis of how the media reported the Freezer Truck Hoax."
by Francisco J. Gil-White
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[Re-Posted from Historical and Investigative Research http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer1.htm for Fair Use Only]
Finally, let us look at what is perhaps the most serious editing error. Since this is all an allegation, it pays to reflect on how the AP used the verb ‘to allege’.
The first appearance is this:
"According to data assembled by Kandic's Center,
Serbian security forces and the Yugoslav army
allegedly took part in removing and destroying
evidence of these atrocities."
Notice, the Yugoslav security forces and army are not
alleged to have committed atrocities but to have taken
part "in removing and destroying evidence of these
atrocities."
Kind of like asking you, at a party, "Do you still beat your wife?" If you answer "no" you have affirmed that you *had* been beating your wife. And if you say "What are you talking about?" you will look defensive to many. Why? Because a question like that makes sense only if it is *common knowledge* that you *had* been beating your wife, and that is what many listeners will infer as true, simply because I asked the quesiton.
The AP is doing something very similar. The allegation that there was a cover up only makes sense if there was an atrocity. If there was no atrocity, why would anybody allege a cover up? And so readers assume it is a foregone conclusion that atrocities occurred.
Subtle and effective - for a *propagandist*.
But in terms of reporting the news, this is completely without warrant, because it so happens that every accusation that the Serbs committed atrocities against Albanians has turned out to be a hoax.[4] Not only does this mean that there is no evidence of Serbian atrocities, but it also means that the Albanian accusers *know* it, for otherwise they would have no need to resort to hoaxes.[5] In this context, to imply that it is established fact that there have been Serbian atrocities is quite simply *to lie*.
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But then again, neither did the corporate media or Clinton or NATO call it "Genocide" when the Croatians committed mass murder of thousands of Serbs in 'Operation Storm' [some estimates are as high as from 14,000 to 20,000 killed]in the Krajina province bordering Croatia back in August 1995. In fact, the corporate media either IGNORED it or JUSTIFIED it by saying that "the Serbs are getting what they deserve" [I still recall Richard Carleton saying precisely just that in a report in August 1995]. Since when do innocent civilans of ANY nationalty [even a demonized one] deserve to be bludgeoned and/or hacked to pieces?
See:
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/elich/krajina.html
http://www.antiwar.com/malic/?articleid=6861
http://www.srebrenica-report.com
http://cirqueminime.blogcollective.com/blog/_archives/2005/6/17/947793.html
http://www.swans.com/library/art7/ga111.html
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Video too brutal for The Hague
Vecernje Novosti - June 14, 2005
By Veljko Lalic
A video made by the mujahedeen showing the ritual beheading of a Bosnian Serb POW. Images such as these were carefully censored and deleted in the US media but openly sold in Bosnian Cultural Centers.
The Hague Tribunal refused to show "Meho's Camera". Because of the brutality. The Vecernji Novosti news team viewed a private video recording of members of the 505th Buzim Brigade of the Bosnia-Herzegovina Bosniak (Muslim) Army, including the entire sequence of the bestial murder of Republika Srpska Army Warrant Officer Rade Rogica.
Truly, the material is not for broadcasting. Yesterday only the reporter and the cameraman from "Novosti" remained in the BK Television studio to the end. Even Miodrag Popov, war correspondent, who played all the videos for us, could not watch the recording to the end.
The material begins with a sequence of a mujahedin smoking marijuana. The next scene shows an entire village in smoke. Luckily, none of the civilians remained. Muslim soldiers enter every house. "I'll f*ck your (mother's) breast," they say at the entrance to each home. Ten or so soldiers vie to loot the homes. They load up their jeeps with all manner of things.
New sequence. No village to be seen. About thirty soldiers are singing some sort of battle song. It is fairly garbled, with the exception of "...do not be afraid of the chetniks (Serbs)... and... Serbian blood..."
They even set fire to a haystack they happen to pass. Total destruction. "This is Hamza's army of liberation," a voice can be heard from the crowd. And so (they go)... from village to village. Incredible scenes. Apocalypse, both then and now. And forever...
Suddenly the camera approaches a group of soldiers. They've formed a circle. In the center - a prisoner.
A blow of the fist. The camera is still at a distance of some twenty meters. Another blow of the fist. Close up shot. (The prisoner) is Rade Rogic. A member of the Radnicki Battalion. Born in 1957 in Sanski Most. He got lost. This is his last appearance on video.
A young mujahedin, or at least someone introduced as such, with a green band around his forehead, is questioning him. He speaks excellent Serbian.
"Do you know me?" he asks Rogic.
"I don't!" says Rogic.
"Where do you think I'm from?" he continues, practically growling through his teeth.
About ten young soldiers are standing over Rogic and laughing. They say he is a mujahedin. Rogic remains calm to the extent that is possible. He tries to reason with them, to find at least something human in his executioners. He raises his hand, as if to say, what is happening to you, and to find himself awaking in some other film.
But blows return him to reality.
"Why am I here?" the obviously "domestic" mujahedin continues his questioning.
He strikes him with his fists, grabs him by the hair, apparently cannot decide in his fury what to do with him.
"I guess you came to fight, f*ck it!" answers Rogic.
Another blow.
"How old are you?" a new voice interjects.
"I'm thirty-two," the Serbian prisoner replies calmly.
"So what are you doing here?" the "mujahedin" asks him.
The volley of blows continues. Rogic raises his hand. He defends himself reflexively. "Why?" he says. As soon as the blows stop, he lowers his arm.
"Where have you been?" continues the man with a green band around his forehead.
"In the forest, f*ck it."
"So what are you doing in the forest?" he continues with the questions and blows.
"Let's go, let's go," shouts someone from the crowd.
Rogic is still speaking: "Well, if anyone had bothered to ask you and me we probably wouldn't be here..."
Some one hits him repeatedly in the ears.
"Don't say f*ck it, I'll f*ck your mother!" he screams.
"That's a really bad habit you have (swearing)," says another, as he holds him by the hair and anticipates the moment he will end it all.
He pulls him by the hair toward the ground, striking him several times behind the ear.
"Cut him there, cut him there!"
The mujahedin intervenes, ordering Rogic to shout "Allahu akhbar" (Allah is great).
"Don't, don't, don't..." are the last words of Warrant Officer Rade Rogic.
The crushed skull remains between two stones. Although the quality of the video is poor, one can clearly distinguish three long slashes: one across the neck, a second across the mouth, and a third across the forehead. Posing for the camera, the mujahedin grabs him by the hair. He raises the head. To show off his work. Laughter can be heard.
The next scene is in a yard somewhere.
"Hey, did you kill him, did you f*ck his mother?" a voice can be heard.
A big close up shot of the killer. He's holding a rifle. Blows up his cheeks. The look of a total idiot. He suddenly rises. He runs and raises both hands towards the sky...
"Allahu akhbar!" he screams...
He turns towards the soldiers and continues, "Let's go, let's go..."
Text: June 14, 2005 VECERNJE NOVOSTI
Translated June 15, 2005 by sib
Original URL: http://www.serbianna.com/press/011.shtml
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View a censored version of the tape:
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=zlocin_50520
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/video.wmv
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http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/
Srebrenica Massacre: Photo Story
The release of a video by the Hague War Crimes Tribunal (on June 1, 2005) showing Serbian paramilitary unit the "Scorpions" executing 6 Bosnian Muslims, appears as a deliberate decision of that Court to exonerate Bosnian Muslims of their atrocities by virtue of vilifying Serbs through a video that is freely available throughout the Balkans.
It is unclear as to why hasn't that dignified court released a free circulating video that shows Bosnian Muslims decapitating Serbs, gouging their eyes, beheading them or pulling out the heart from the chest of a Christian as a sign of Islamic piety.
All Carla Del Ponte would have to do is stop at any "Islamic Cultural Center" in Bosnia and obtain a video copy.
The Photo Slide Show and the Video available here is a small sample of the Islamic Jihad perfected in Bosnia and now exported into the US.
WARNING!
Video segments and the pictures in the slide show are of a gruesome nature and may not be suited for a young audience. Video segments have been edited in order to appear the least gruesome and the grotesque mutilations and sadism such as beheading, skinning, heart and eye gouging and body part decapitations of live persons have been omitted.
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/warning.shtml
Not a word from Sixty Minutes' Richard Carleton about Bosnian muslim "warlord" and mass murderer, Naser Oric, who brutally murdered [with axes,knives and hammers] over 3,800 Serbian civilians - many of them women & children - in villages surrounding Srebrenica from 1992 to 1995.
Srebrenica/Zvornik region: The body of a Bosnian Serb boy murdered by Nasir Oric's forces in the Srebrenica pocket in eastern Bosnia.
The decapitated head of Bosnian Serb farmer Pero Makic, who was executed by Bosnian Muslim/Croat forces in the northeastern Bosnian city of Brcko on June 22, 1992. His head was placed on a pitch-fork and a cigarette was placed in his mouth. One of the forks of the pitch-fork was stabbed in his eye. This is a photo that was censored and suppressed in the West and the US.
The body of Bosnian Serb civilian Kostadinka Grcic, executed by Bosnian Muslim forces by stabbing her in the chest.
The Milici Massacre, south of Srebrenica. Bosnian Muslim troops executed Bosnian Serbs and mutilated their bodies. On left, Ljubomir Jurosevic had his right eye cut out by Bosnian Muslim soldiers and his neck and chest showed signs of knife wounds. On right, the mutilated body of Bosnian Serb Dimitrije Alempic from Rogosije, who was executed by Bosnian Muslim soldiers. His body was mutilated and burned.
Of course, not a word from Mr.Carleton of the Australian Sixty Minutes program, about the Bill Clinton instigated Krajina expulsion of 275,000 to 350,000 Serbian civilians, carried out by the late Franjo Tudjman after getting the green light from Bill Clinton via US ambassador to Croatia, Peter Galbraith.
Funny how poor old Richard Carleton failed to mention these Al Qaeda Mujahedeen "Islamist Jihad" Bosnian warriors, who incidentally were trained by, and have DIRECT LINKS to Osama bin Laden and the perpetrators of 9/11 - VIDEO TAPING THEMSELVES MURDERING Serbs, Romanies, and Bosnian muslims who refused the Islamist extremism of the late Alija Izetbegovic and instead allied themselves with the moderate muslim leader, Fikret Abdic. See also the reports by the Defense & Foreign Affairs Group - part of the prestigious Washington DC-based International Strategic Studies Association at http://www.strategicstudies.org
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http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/video.wmv
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=zlocin_50520
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Funny how poor old Richard Carleton also forgot to mention how these gruesome videos are openly sold TO THIS DAY in Bosnian Cultural Centers. Funny how he also forgot to mention that during the late 1990's [1997] the Bosnian muslim MAINSTREAM magazine known as "Svijet" [or "World"] openly BOASTED, BRAGGED about and LAUDED the Bosnian muslim NAZI PAST [i.e. their alliance with Adolf Hitler and his formation of several Bosnian muslim SS divisions; one of the most notorious for its shocking brutality was known as the "13th SS HANDZAR" [Scimitar or Dagger] division responsible for the gruesome mass murders of Serbs, Jews, and Romanies during World War 2.
It just so happens that Alija Izetbegovic RESURRECTED this NAZI SS DIVISION back in the early 90's at the beginning of the war with not a word said by Bill Clinton or George H.W. Bush [Bush Snr] or NATO or the corporate-controlled mainstream media [surprise, surprise].
See the photographs published by this MAINSTREAM Bosnian muslim magazine at the URL link below:
http://emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/svijet.htm
Also, see the below links for further details of the late Alija Izetbegovic's loyal Muslim warlord Naser Oric, BRAGGING about and SHOWING OFF VIDEOS of himself MURDERING Serbs in and around Srebrenica to Western reporters.
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/fulltext.htm
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/
See below for my response to the Sixty Minutes broadcast concerning this alleged
"smoking gun" video.
Anyway, the URL for the Sixty Minutes story by their reporter, Mr. Richard Carleton, is available at:
http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2005_08_14/story_1471.asp
Just to let you know, Mr. Carleton is the Australian equivalent of David Rohde and Christiane Amanpour of CNN, rolled into one.
Have a look at the intro/promo to the broadcast, with Mr. Carleton explicitly invoking Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust:
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" We are certain you will have great difficulty believing what you are about to see, a home movie of the most appalling crime in Europe since the days of Adolf Hitler. The war in Bosnia ended 10 years ago last month. That war climaxed with the massacre of 8000 men and boys from the town of Srebrenica. The men who committed some of those murders videotaped themselves doing it. They were a Serbian paramilitary unit called, appropriately enough, the Scorpions. This tape is irrefutable proof there are barbarians still amongst us, committing crimes almost beyond forgiveness. Some scenes from the tape could distress some viewers..."
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Being half Jewish and an anti-interventionist Libertarian, I take great exception to this hijacking of the Holocaust by Mr. Carleton & the Australian Sixty Minutes program, in support of those Balkan leaders -such as the late Iranian & Al Qaeda- backed Alija Izetbegovic- who allied himself with the leaders of governments of nations that want to see all Jews "pushed into the sea" and who proclaim that Israel "should be wiped off the map". I also take great exception to those who attempt to smear and destroy the character of anybody who exposes these Globalist frauds and crimes as "being like a Holocaust denier" [such as the late Croatian president,Franjo Tudjman,for example].
The Holocaust of millions of Jews, European Slavs and tens of millions of Russians during WW2, has hundreds of thousands of documents from archival material, sourced from the perpetrators of the crime - Nazi Germany and its WW2 satellites - to back it up. In the case of the Balkans, these include the Ustasha Independent State of Croatia and the Bosnian muslim SS Handzar & Kama divisions, and the Albanian SS Skanderbeg divisions, after these Nazi thugs were defeated in 1945. See 'Hiding Genocide:
Croatia has resumed its "liquidation" of Serbs, while arguing that "ethnic cleansing" is a Serbian creation"'
To compare that with a dirty civil war in the Balkans, in which ALL sides were guilty of violating the Geneva Conventions [but only ONE side - the Serbs - were condemned & demonized], to the enormity of the SYSTEMATIC & industrial scale crime of the Nazi genocide of millions of Jews and Slavs throughout Europe and the former Soviet Union is a grossly offensive distortion of the truth.
Anyone making this comparison of Bosnia/Srebrenica to the WW2 Holocaust is incomparably WORSE than a real "Holocaust denier" [such as the late Croatian president, Franjo Tudjman, British author, David Irving, or the current Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad].
Anyway, here's the UNCENSORED Srebrenica "atrocity video" [see http://www.lopare.net/srebrenica.wmv]that Bush, Clinton, NATO/EU and their Islamist terrorist ALLIES in Bosnia and Kosovo would NOT want you to see. Why? Because it clearly shows it's a fake.Sound far-fetched or absurd? Not if you know a dirty little SECRET.
You see we're still currently helping Al Qaeda maintain its base of operations in those areas, and we've been doing so since the early 90's - when Clinton became President- to smash Serbian and Macedonian resistance to US, NATO/EU occupation. "What the..?!" you may say. You mean CBS' Sixty Minutes or CNN's Christiane Amanpour never told you about any of that? Tsk, tsk, tsk..
See "US PROTECTS AL QAEDA TERRORISTS IN THE BALKANS" at:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/PAS111A.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BIS111A.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/DOM204A.html
http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1903.htm
http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep0803.htm
http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1703.htm
Anyway, back to the uncensored "atrocity video".
[If the previous link does not work, you can also view the video at this link .If these two links are inaccessible, you can also download the video in "zip" format from http://www.srpskapolitika.com/video/Srebrenica.zip Just right-click on the link and select "Save target as" to download it. Please keep in mind, however, that this version is highly compressed and the quality is therefore quite poor by comparison to the first and second link.]
On the uncensored video, watch the guy in the dark blue/black jacket VERY CAREFULLY.
As he gets "shot" at POINT BLANK range, his jacket flutters about from all the
compressed air flying out of the barrel of a HIGH
POWERED FULLY AUTOMATIC MILITARY ASSAULT RIFLE [machine gun].
Watch it carefully over and over again.See if you can
see ANY bullet HOLES/TEARS/RIPS in his jacket or ANY
blood fall/spurt/splatter ANYWHERE!! [rememeber, these
are HIGH POWERED FULLY AUTOMATIC MILITARY ASSAULT
RIFLES - firing at POINT BLANK range - not cap guns - the amount of soft tissue damage from such a weapon at this range would be DEVASTATING to put it mildly]
While this is going on, simultaneously the gunman on the right of the camera is shooting REAL bullets into the grassy area in front of the supposed shooting "victim" [you can clearly see some grass fly up in front of him].
See if you can see any blood ANYWHERE on THE GRASS as
these men fall "dead"! See if you can see any blood
spurt out ANYWHERE AT ALL - at POINT BLANK range the shooters
would be splattered in the victim's blood - and yet there is not a SINGLE DROP to be seen ANYWHERE.
See if you can HEAR even at least ONE of these men groan/gasp/moan as they are shot
multiple times in the back at POINT BLANK range by a powerful MILITARY assault rifle! [despite the fact that the guy in the dark blue/black jacket is
still able to stand for quite a while before he falls
down, he doesn't utter a sound!].
Even though he is still able to stand upright for almost one and a half to
two seconds [which precludes the possibility of him being killed "instantly"]
after being shot so many times - and at POINT BLANK range - with a powerful, military, fully automatic assault rifle, firing high velocity bullets!!
Incredibly, not only does he NOT even move an inch forward while being shot in the back at point blank range with such a high powered MILITARY rifle firing high velocity bullets, but while standing still he doesn't even utter a PEEP - not the slightest sound - and neither does ANYBODY else as they are being SHOT!
At one point, the Serbian "executioner" says, in the Serbo-Croatian language,
to the two Bosnian muslim "victims" lying down in the grass - who just a few seconds ago,for all intents and purposes, appeared ALREADY dead:
"ajde MOMCI dignite se" [or in English: "Come on BOYS, get up"]
Then, we can see the two "victims" casually get up, unharmed, with no sign of blood on them.
Since when do you use such jovial, amiable, friendly
chit-chat style of talk to people you HATE to the core
so much so that you are just about to EXECUTE them?!!
Or even more bizarre still- to people lying in the grass who ALREADY appeared executed!
Notice also how at the start of the tape [broadcast by the mainstream corporate media] there is a date stamp recorded, yet in the scene of the supposed "massacre" -where the victims are supposedly shot - the date stamp has been conveniently REMOVED - a nice touch.
Also notice how at the start of the tape the audio track slows down to a crawl [making the voices sound deep and garbled] while the video images continue along at normal speed: clear evidence the tape has been doctored & tampered with and explains why the tape was NOT presented as an EXHIBIT at The Hague where its authenticity and origin could be critically cross-examined and exposed to scrutiny.
No wonder this video showed up after 10 years to miraculously coincide with the 10th anniversary of the alleged "Srebrenica massacre" [you see we're having a bit of trouble finding all those 8,000 bodies AFTER TEN YEARS so this home video just had to make do coz we're trying to pin the whole Balkan war "conspiracy" charge thing on ONE MAN: that terrible Milosevic "Hitler incarnate" guy at The Hague - well "conspiracy" is a taboo word, so we called it a "joint criminal enterprise"- it sounds more plausible to the public].
When confronted with all these suspicious discrepancies and inconsistencies placing the tape's authenticity in serious doubt, have a look at the hysterical response and ludicrous answer given by ICTY 'prosecutor' at The Hague, Mr. Geoffrey Nice:
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"...Mr. Nice became extremely agitated when Milosevic called the authenticity of the tape into question. Nice suggested that the tribunal should shut Milosevic up..."
'Reeling from the beating that he took over the tape, Mr. Nice admitted that he did not have any real proof that the tape depicted Srebrenica Muslims being killed in Trnovo in July 1995. But he did say that he would get a witness to testify to the tape's authenticity sometime later on.'
'When confronted with the allegation that the audio on the tape had been doctored, Mr. Nice could only say "We've got what we've got." '
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This so-called "atrocity video" which was miraculously "discovered" after 10 years by a highly tainted and compromised source [the CIA-NED/Soros/Ford Foundation - funded "Humanitarian Law Center" in Belgrade], is as phony as all the "Osama" home videos and the Nick Berg "execution video" - its just that the production values are worse.
See:
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/vid.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/location.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/moves.htm
Q) "...Oh but aren't you DENYING that a massacre took
place, if you 'deny' such 'irrefutable evidence'?!!"
A) "Do you STILL beat your wife?"
[it's called BEGGING THE QUESTION]
http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer1.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/list-s.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/branco-1.htm
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/documents/srebrenica.pdf
The crucial point is this: the so-called "atrocity video" - even if it had been genuine - would NOT constitute proof of what the radical pro-Izetbegovic SDA Islamists claim as established fact: namely, their claim that "8,000 Bosnian muslim men and boys were executed by Bosnian Serbs at Srebrenica". The tape was purportedly a video recording of the paramilitary group, the "Skorpions" from the former Republic of Serbian Krajina, allegedly executing six Bosnian muslims at a location 160 kilometres away from Srebrenica! Here is what Jared Israel, of the Emperor's Clothes research group, pointed out in Part 2 of his meticulously researched article, "Evidence that the Supposed Srebrenica Execution Video is a Lie":
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"If this video footage, and particularly the two scenes depicting a supposed execution, were legitimate, this might constitute smoking gun evidence for a massacre. I say might because the Tribunal and their supporters, i.e., most media, would still need to prove the claim they made, that the supposed victims in the video comprise one of many batches of Muslims brought to the same place and murdered."
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The tape, even if it was authentic - which it clearly isn't - could in no way constitute proof that 8,000 muslim 'Bosniaks' were executed at Srebrenica, which is 160 kilometres away from where the tape was allegedly recorded [Treskavica mountain, near Trnovo]. And that is the crux of the matter.
So the video suddenly appears after 10 YEARS to miraculously coincide with the 10th anniversary of a yet to be proven massacre claim of 8,000 muslims. The video is supplied by an NED-CIA/SOROS funded outfit NOTORIOUS FOR LYING for NATO!
The muslims under the command of Alija Izetbegovic and
Naser Oric MURDER 3,800 Serbian CIVILIANS [elderly
men, women ,and children]with HAMMERS,KNIVES,and AXES
in and around Srebrenica for THREE YEARS and BOAST about it to Western reporters, while the UN looks apathetically on and it's NOT called "GENOCIDE" by the corporate controlled news media.
As they say in some parts of the US: "Please pinch me momma,I must be DREAMING!"
It just so happens that the source of the phony Srebrenica "atrocity video" [that the corporate controlled media would have us believe is genuine evidence of 8,000 Bosnian muslims - "Bosniaks" - executed] and the "Freezer Truck" hoax, is none other than - you guessed it- Natasa Kandic and her NED-CIA/SOROS funded "Humanitarian Law Center".
Funny how the corporate controlled media NEVER ONCE mentioned this NED-CIA/SOROS connection and how the Kandic "Freezer Truck" story has ALREADY LONG AGO BEEN EXPOSED AS A COMPLETE FRAUD by independent researchers all over the world [i.e. unlike Kandic's "Humanitarian Law Center", NOT funded by NATO/NED-CIA/SOROS].
Pity how the corporate controlled media still persists in clinging to the "Are you STILL beating your wife?" style of DISINFORMATION [i.e. to paraphrase: "Surely you don't DENY that you beat your wife - I mean it's common knowledge that you do beat her"].
When applied to the corporate media portrayal of Serbs and Serbia it goes something like this:
"Surely you Serbs don't DENY that you are Nazis who committed genocide in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo? I mean it's common knowledge that you Serbs did all of that, just look at all the evidence shown on TV news, like the Srebrenica 'atrocity video', the 'Belsen 1992' ITN concentration camp footage at Trnopolje, and the transporting of dead Albanian bodies in freezer trucks to Serbia to cover up the crime. Surely you Serbs don't DENY committing genocide with evidence like that all over the news, now do you?"
"Oh, and by the way, I also heard that you STILL beat your wife. Is that true or have you stopped beating her? Surely you don't DENY that you beat her too? So I ask you again, are you STILL beating your wife?"
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"...If you answer "no" you have affirmed that you *had* been beating your wife. And if you say "What are you talking about?" you will look DEFENSIVE to many. Why? Because a question like that makes sense ONLY if it is *common knowledge* that you *had* been beating your wife, and that is what many listeners will infer as true, simply because I asked the quesiton...."
The above paragraph was taken from an article on the 'Emperor's Clothes' website:
"The Propaganda Hypothesis. Is the mainstream Western Media controlled? A close-up analysis of how the media reported the Freezer Truck Hoax."
by Francisco J. Gil-White
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[Re-Posted from Historical and Investigative Research http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/freezer1.htm for Fair Use Only]
Finally, let us look at what is perhaps the most serious editing error. Since this is all an allegation, it pays to reflect on how the AP used the verb ‘to allege’.
The first appearance is this:
"According to data assembled by Kandic's Center,
Serbian security forces and the Yugoslav army
allegedly took part in removing and destroying
evidence of these atrocities."
Notice, the Yugoslav security forces and army are not
alleged to have committed atrocities but to have taken
part "in removing and destroying evidence of these
atrocities."
Kind of like asking you, at a party, "Do you still beat your wife?" If you answer "no" you have affirmed that you *had* been beating your wife. And if you say "What are you talking about?" you will look defensive to many. Why? Because a question like that makes sense only if it is *common knowledge* that you *had* been beating your wife, and that is what many listeners will infer as true, simply because I asked the quesiton.
The AP is doing something very similar. The allegation that there was a cover up only makes sense if there was an atrocity. If there was no atrocity, why would anybody allege a cover up? And so readers assume it is a foregone conclusion that atrocities occurred.
Subtle and effective - for a *propagandist*.
But in terms of reporting the news, this is completely without warrant, because it so happens that every accusation that the Serbs committed atrocities against Albanians has turned out to be a hoax.[4] Not only does this mean that there is no evidence of Serbian atrocities, but it also means that the Albanian accusers *know* it, for otherwise they would have no need to resort to hoaxes.[5] In this context, to imply that it is established fact that there have been Serbian atrocities is quite simply *to lie*.
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But then again, neither did the corporate media or Clinton or NATO call it "Genocide" when the Croatians committed mass murder of thousands of Serbs in 'Operation Storm' [some estimates are as high as from 14,000 to 20,000 killed]in the Krajina province bordering Croatia back in August 1995. In fact, the corporate media either IGNORED it or JUSTIFIED it by saying that "the Serbs are getting what they deserve" [I still recall Richard Carleton saying precisely just that in a report in August 1995]. Since when do innocent civilans of ANY nationalty [even a demonized one] deserve to be bludgeoned and/or hacked to pieces?
See:
http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/elich/krajina.html
http://www.antiwar.com/malic/?articleid=6861
http://www.srebrenica-report.com
http://cirqueminime.blogcollective.com/blog/_archives/2005/6/17/947793.html
http://www.swans.com/library/art7/ga111.html
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Video too brutal for The Hague
Vecernje Novosti - June 14, 2005
By Veljko Lalic
A video made by the mujahedeen showing the ritual beheading of a Bosnian Serb POW. Images such as these were carefully censored and deleted in the US media but openly sold in Bosnian Cultural Centers.
The Hague Tribunal refused to show "Meho's Camera". Because of the brutality. The Vecernji Novosti news team viewed a private video recording of members of the 505th Buzim Brigade of the Bosnia-Herzegovina Bosniak (Muslim) Army, including the entire sequence of the bestial murder of Republika Srpska Army Warrant Officer Rade Rogica.
Truly, the material is not for broadcasting. Yesterday only the reporter and the cameraman from "Novosti" remained in the BK Television studio to the end. Even Miodrag Popov, war correspondent, who played all the videos for us, could not watch the recording to the end.
The material begins with a sequence of a mujahedin smoking marijuana. The next scene shows an entire village in smoke. Luckily, none of the civilians remained. Muslim soldiers enter every house. "I'll f*ck your (mother's) breast," they say at the entrance to each home. Ten or so soldiers vie to loot the homes. They load up their jeeps with all manner of things.
New sequence. No village to be seen. About thirty soldiers are singing some sort of battle song. It is fairly garbled, with the exception of "...do not be afraid of the chetniks (Serbs)... and... Serbian blood..."
They even set fire to a haystack they happen to pass. Total destruction. "This is Hamza's army of liberation," a voice can be heard from the crowd. And so (they go)... from village to village. Incredible scenes. Apocalypse, both then and now. And forever...
Suddenly the camera approaches a group of soldiers. They've formed a circle. In the center - a prisoner.
A blow of the fist. The camera is still at a distance of some twenty meters. Another blow of the fist. Close up shot. (The prisoner) is Rade Rogic. A member of the Radnicki Battalion. Born in 1957 in Sanski Most. He got lost. This is his last appearance on video.
A young mujahedin, or at least someone introduced as such, with a green band around his forehead, is questioning him. He speaks excellent Serbian.
"Do you know me?" he asks Rogic.
"I don't!" says Rogic.
"Where do you think I'm from?" he continues, practically growling through his teeth.
About ten young soldiers are standing over Rogic and laughing. They say he is a mujahedin. Rogic remains calm to the extent that is possible. He tries to reason with them, to find at least something human in his executioners. He raises his hand, as if to say, what is happening to you, and to find himself awaking in some other film.
But blows return him to reality.
"Why am I here?" the obviously "domestic" mujahedin continues his questioning.
He strikes him with his fists, grabs him by the hair, apparently cannot decide in his fury what to do with him.
"I guess you came to fight, f*ck it!" answers Rogic.
Another blow.
"How old are you?" a new voice interjects.
"I'm thirty-two," the Serbian prisoner replies calmly.
"So what are you doing here?" the "mujahedin" asks him.
The volley of blows continues. Rogic raises his hand. He defends himself reflexively. "Why?" he says. As soon as the blows stop, he lowers his arm.
"Where have you been?" continues the man with a green band around his forehead.
"In the forest, f*ck it."
"So what are you doing in the forest?" he continues with the questions and blows.
"Let's go, let's go," shouts someone from the crowd.
Rogic is still speaking: "Well, if anyone had bothered to ask you and me we probably wouldn't be here..."
Some one hits him repeatedly in the ears.
"Don't say f*ck it, I'll f*ck your mother!" he screams.
"That's a really bad habit you have (swearing)," says another, as he holds him by the hair and anticipates the moment he will end it all.
He pulls him by the hair toward the ground, striking him several times behind the ear.
"Cut him there, cut him there!"
The mujahedin intervenes, ordering Rogic to shout "Allahu akhbar" (Allah is great).
"Don't, don't, don't..." are the last words of Warrant Officer Rade Rogic.
The crushed skull remains between two stones. Although the quality of the video is poor, one can clearly distinguish three long slashes: one across the neck, a second across the mouth, and a third across the forehead. Posing for the camera, the mujahedin grabs him by the hair. He raises the head. To show off his work. Laughter can be heard.
The next scene is in a yard somewhere.
"Hey, did you kill him, did you f*ck his mother?" a voice can be heard.
A big close up shot of the killer. He's holding a rifle. Blows up his cheeks. The look of a total idiot. He suddenly rises. He runs and raises both hands towards the sky...
"Allahu akhbar!" he screams...
He turns towards the soldiers and continues, "Let's go, let's go..."
Text: June 14, 2005 VECERNJE NOVOSTI
Translated June 15, 2005 by sib
Original URL: http://www.serbianna.com/press/011.shtml
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View a censored version of the tape:
http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=zlocin_50520
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/video.wmv
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http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/
Srebrenica Massacre: Photo Story
The release of a video by the Hague War Crimes Tribunal (on June 1, 2005) showing Serbian paramilitary unit the "Scorpions" executing 6 Bosnian Muslims, appears as a deliberate decision of that Court to exonerate Bosnian Muslims of their atrocities by virtue of vilifying Serbs through a video that is freely available throughout the Balkans.
It is unclear as to why hasn't that dignified court released a free circulating video that shows Bosnian Muslims decapitating Serbs, gouging their eyes, beheading them or pulling out the heart from the chest of a Christian as a sign of Islamic piety.
All Carla Del Ponte would have to do is stop at any "Islamic Cultural Center" in Bosnia and obtain a video copy.
The Photo Slide Show and the Video available here is a small sample of the Islamic Jihad perfected in Bosnia and now exported into the US.
WARNING!
Video segments and the pictures in the slide show are of a gruesome nature and may not be suited for a young audience. Video segments have been edited in order to appear the least gruesome and the grotesque mutilations and sadism such as beheading, skinning, heart and eye gouging and body part decapitations of live persons have been omitted.
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/warning.shtml
posted by Peter Robert North at 10:44 AM
6 Comments:
Srebrenica Genocide Video Killings Denial Collapses:
http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2005/12/denial-of-srebrenica-video-killings.html
Dear Daniel,
My sincerest apologies for the delay in replying.
This so-called "confession" does NOT constitute PROOF of ANYTHING.
As it is commonly acknowledged in legal practice, so-called "confessions" can be FABRICATED quite easily through various techniques.
I can now easily "confess" that I was a witness to a "murder" of victim "Y" by "gunshot at close range" by perpetrator "X" at a specific TIME and PLACE:
BUT unless said victim "Y"'s body is ACTUALLY found in the first place ,and THEN said victim "Y"'s body [after having been found in or near the alleged vicinity of the alleged murder location as claimed by me], SHOWS CONCRETE FORENSIC [SCIENTIFIC] PROOF of having been ACTUALLY SHOT at CLOSE RANGE [ with forensic evidence CONFIRMING the TIME and LOCATION that I allege victim "Y" was actually shot at close range by perpetrator "X"], and THEN perpetrator "X" is FORENSICALLY [i.e. SCIENTIFICALLY] PROVEN to be SOLIDLY linked to the crime [through DNA, Fingerprint, Ballistics evidence etc.] then SAID CONFESSION by me is absolutely WORTHLESS in terms of PROVING guilt of alleged crime of "murder by gunshot at close range" by perpetrator "X" [against victim "Y"].
It also PROVES absolutely NOTHING even if the alleged crime of murder of victim "Y" by gunshot at close range is "confessed" to by the alleged perpetrator "X" HIMSELF, since said "confession" could easily have been EXTRACTED through various techniques at the disposal of said "interrogators" - either through torture-coercion, bribery, plea-bargaining/charge-bargaining [in exchange for lighter sentence or immunity from prosecution/imprisonment, promise of having charges dropped, material/monetary enticements [or threats] to family members etc. etc].
Case in point:
" Confession of Momir Nikolic"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/991985/posts
Key Srebrenica Witness Admits Lying
Momir Nikolic's fictional account of massacre raises questions about plea-bargain system.
By Chris Stephen in The Hague (TU 327, 29 September 2003)
The Hague prosecution's star witness in the Srebrenica case has admitted in court that he lied in testimony when he said he ordered one of the biggest single massacres of Bosnian Muslims.
Former Bosnian Serb army captain Momir Nikolic's admission in a courtroom appearance this week will undermine confidence in other details he has supplied about the Srebrenica killings in July 1995, and raises questions about how plea-bargain agreements are negotiated with those accused of war crimes.
Nikolic, an army intelligence officer who was present during the massacres and was indicted by The Hague for playing a major role in them, made history as the first Serb officer to give evidence against his colleagues.
But now doubts about his reliability as a witness have arisen after he admitted that a statement he gave to prosecutors earlier this year contained a lie.
In a courtroom appearance on September 29, he admitted he did not give the orders to gun down more than 1,000 Bosnian Muslims inside a warehouse at Kravica. He was not even present when it happened, on July 13, 1995. Kravica was one of the single biggest massacres carried out by Serb forces around Srebrenica.
In recent days, Nikolic has been in court as part of a plea-bargain deal with prosecutors, giving evidence against Vidoje Blagojevic and Dragan Jokic, Bosnian Serb officers indicted for war crimes alongside him. In May, prosecutors agreed to drop a genocide charge against him and seek a lesser sentence of 15 to 20 years, and in return he changed his not guilty plea to an admission that he committed crimes against humanity.
But now, Nikolic has renounced his original statement that he had personally supervised the Kravica killings.
"You needed to give him [the prosecutor] something he did not have, right?" said Michael Karnavas, defending. "You wanted to limit your time of imprisonment to 20 years, that was part of the arrangement, yes? Quid pro quo?"
Nikolic admitted he had lied, "I did not tell the truth when I said that. Afterwards I said I had made a mistake, I had lied.
"I apologise. All I can do is confess and say that discussing the crime is a very difficult situation to be in."
"I think we should call it for what it is, a bald faced lie," said Karnavas.
"I'm still a little bit confused," the American lawyer continued. "How is it that you thought by admitting to one of the most horrendous executions in this area, that this would help you in getting the kind of sentence that you are hoping and praying for?"
"I wanted the agreement to succeed," responded Nikolic.
His original statement to prosecutors included testimony that while at Kravica, he had observed the involvement of another war crimes suspect, former army officer Ljubomir Borovcanin, in the killing.
He has now told the court that although he was not present, he was certain that Borovcanin had been there.
"You implicated Borovcanin in your falsehood in order to make your story more convincing, so that the prosecutor would buy it?" said Karnavas. "You needed to give him [the prosecutor] some more facts to sweeten the deal - that's why you provided false information about Kravica?"
He went on to ask Nikolic whether he had lied so as to make his story impressive enough for prosecutors to offer him a plea-bargain deal. "Your lawyers had a laundry list of factors that the prosecutor was expected to agree to," said Karnavas.
"The prosecution did not exert any influence on me," responded Nikolic. "What I did is my own mistake."
Karnavas continued to press him, saying, "Did you think that by falsely admitting to having ordered this execution that you were solving a question-mark in the prosecutor's case as to who had ordered that murder?"
Nikolic's admission could have serious implications for the prosecution strategy of using plea bargains.
In recent weeks, prosecutors have persuaded several former Bosnian Serb commanders to give evidence against their former comrades by offering to cut their sentences.
Nikolic's plea-bargain negotiations took six months, starting last November. It now seems he was so desperate to get a deal with prosecutors that he was willing to lie to them.
The prosecutors are in a difficult position. They will only offer plea-bargain arrangements to people who can give high-quality evidence. But this case suggests that some defendants could be tempted to embroider the facts to make their crimes more "worthy" of a deal.
Chris Stephen is IWPR's tribunal project manager.
[IWPR is a George Soros funded outfit- ipso facto is irrefutably biased & predispoded to being anti-Serbian.IWPR is notorious for spreading such infamous fakes as the Kandic "Freezer Truck" hoax & now the so-called "Srebrenica atrocity" video. Pure disinformation]
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Anyway,it is certainly NOT up to me to DISPROVE ANYTHING the pro- Izetbegovic Islamist radicals claim, since logically, it is impossible to PROVE a NEGATIVE: i.e., It is not up to me to PROVE something did NOT OCCUR. That is to say, I do NOT have to PROVE that the "Srebrenica Massacre of 7,000 Muslim men and boys in August '95" actually NEVER happened.
Since you [and the corporate controlled media] are the one making this CLAIM, the ONUS -i.e., the BURDEN OF PROOF- is on YOU [or them] to PROVE that the massacre occurred the way you claim it did -which you have NOT done.
Also, so called "confessions" by parties who are easily manipulated to provide such "confessions" ONCE THEY ARE IN CUSTODY [realising that failure to co-operate with the "authorities", i.e the so-called "captors/interrogators" will result in a lengthy prison sentence] does NOT in any way CONSTITUTE 'PROOF' of ANYTHING.
As far as being a " Srebrenica genocide denier" and not willing to accept the NATO/EU corporate media version of events, well my friend, it is you who is unwilling to accept the reality of Clinton's crimes against the people of the US and [since 9/11] the rest of the world - it's not about hating him PERSONALLY at all - it's about exposing the TRUTH of his CRIMES against the American people.
At the end of the day, Bill "Slick Willy" Clinton's record of assisting fanatical Islamist terrorists in the Balkans during the '90s [directly linked to the 9/11 attacks] AND committing HIGH TREASON by giving away US nuclear secrets to the Communist Chinese government will certainly be exposed to the world's public at large - sooner or later. It's just a QUESTION OF TIME.
Need PROOF? Clinton bows head to Al Qaeda shrine - PROOF POSITIVE - NOT just a 'confession' - as in: " I saw Clinton bow head to Al Qaeda shrine"
http://groups.msn.com/SiberiaUSA/clintonbows.msnw
Also, some interesting quotes from [now deceased] messrs Tudjman & Izetbegovic;funny how I never saw Christianne Amanpour or her hubbie Jamie Rubin ever mention any of this on CNN back in '99 during Clinton's insane terror bombing of Serbia:
http://www.freenations.freeuk.com/news-2004-09-11.html
I wouldn't trust the "confession" of ANY member of the Skorpions in the same way I didn't trust - and was later proven correct - the so-called "confession" of the Bosnian Serb government of RS admitting to the radical Islamist version of events, namely that the Serbs had "confessed" to killing 7,000 or 8,000 or 10,000 or 15,000 [the number gets bigger as time goes by] Bosnian muslim 'Bosniaks' in Srebrenica in July of 1995.
The governments of NATO/EU now control the ENTIRE Balkan peninsula - including Serbia-Montenegro,Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia & Slovenia. The people who followed the secessionists of ex-SFRY Yugoslavia like Tudjman, Izetbegovic & Kucan are the real losers & suckers in all of this.
NATO/EU governments don't give a shit about how many Bosniaks or Serbs or Albanians were killed by each other - all they REALLY care about is CONTROL of the Balkan people of ex-SFRY & their wealth/natural resources & the people's hard earned labour.
Get a reality check, Daniel and stop believing the crap spewed forth by Western leaders & media.
They are NOT the friends of Bosniak muslims or Serbs or Croats or Albanians.
Also, note the following article:
"WHO ARE THE SKORPIONS: SERBIAN VOLUNTEERS OR NATO AGENTS?"
by Andy Wilcoxson.
Here are some excerpts:
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"...Demirovic is not a Canadian citizen, and the Canadian government says he entered Canada illegally. It is strange that the Canadian government is so keen on protecting him. One wonders if Demirovic isn’t some sort of spy.
"It is unlikely that Demirovic would have gone to Canada unless he was sure that the Canadian government would give him protection. He has family in Canada, so Canada is the first place that somebody would come looking for him. It would have been more logical for him to go to some corrupt little Central American country where he could bribe the police to ignore the Interpol warrants that are out for his arrest.
"If Gen. Vasiljevic is right, and the Skorpions were in some way connected to the SAJ, then maybe it was them who took those bodies to the SAJ base in Batajnica.
"NATO bombed every SAJ base in Serbia except for the SAJ base in Batajnica. The regular SAJ members evacuated the Batajnica base thinking that it would be bombed too.
"If the Skorpions were working with NATO, and if they had infiltrated the SAJ, then they would have had access to the base in Batajnica, and they would be secure in the knowledge that NATO would not attack the base.
"The idea that regular policemen could dig-up bodies in Kosovo and transport them to Batajnica without being noticed and subsequently attacked by the KLA, or getting bombed by NATO, defies belief. If NATO and the KLA were in on this, then everything becomes much more plausible.
"The KLA could supply the bodies and the freezer trucks. The Skorpions would then take the bodies to the Batajnica base and bury them. They would not have to worry about being attacked by the KLA or NATO, and their SAJ credentials would get them past regular Serbian police. If the need arose, NATO could send jets to fly over an area so that any Serbian forces who might be around would seek shelter.
"NATO would know that the bodies were buried at the base, and they could reveal this “incriminating evidence” whenever they needed to. As it happens they chose to reveal this when the Serbian government needed political justification to illegally hand Milosevic over to the Hague Tribunal in 2001. Nobody said a single word about bodies being taken from Kosovo and buried in Serbia-proper before that.
"According to the testimony of protected witness B-071, who testified against Milosevic on April 2, 2003, the Skorpions wore camouflage NATO uniforms when he saw them in Bosnia during the war.
"Of course the idea that the Skorpions were a fifth column working for NATO to generate “evidence” of Serbian crimes to justify the aggression is speculation on my part. Only a full and transparent investigation will reveal who brought those bodies from Kosovo to Batajnica, but I would not be surprised if that investigation led to the Skorpions.
"Something similar can be said about the videotape. It is strange that somebody would make a videotape of themselves executing of prisoners of war. Only an exceptionally stupid criminal would film himself committing such a horrific crime. It is difficult to believe that nobody who took part in the killings depicted on that tape would object to the video being made, unless the whole idea was to make a tape. On the tape the cameraman is heard complaining that the battery in the camera is dying and telling the other men to carry on with the executions anyway – why would he think the camera going dead would cause the men to stop the killing?"
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Regards,
Peter.
Hi Peter,
According to your reasoning, not even Holocaust crime could be proved and all Hague 'prisoners' could be released as late as this afternoon. The question is: How can you defend yourself against murder charges when videotaped evidence shows YOU laughing and shooting at civilians? (I'm sure you will give me some twisted reasoning, again).
The bodies of the killed in a videotape had been found and identified; in fact, close to 6,000 bodies of Srebrenica Genocide victims had been exhumed from primary and secondary mass graves (they await DNA identification in Tuzla morgue). A member of a Serbian paramilitary unit, on trial with four of his comrades, admitted to a Belgrade court of having participated in the killing of six Bosniaks from the town of Srebrenica.
Serbian paramilitary member Slobodan Davidovic - who was sentenced to 15 years - actively participated in inhuman treatment, humiliation and liquidation of six young Bosniak men from Srebrenica in 1995. He was seen in the video along with other members that are currently on trial.
Many bodies of Srebrenica Genocide victims will never be found, because many of them are burned and ashes is thrown in the river of Drina.
Whether Nikolic was lying or telling the truth, it does not change the fact that over 8,000 Bosniaks were slaughtered in Srebrenica. He used to claim that he was innocent, and then guilty, and then innocent again, and then guilty, etc. His behaviour resembles that of sociopathic killer. According to Nikolic's testimony “The prosecution did not exert any influence on me,”. Nikolic also added: “What I did is my own mistake.” Momir Nikolic obviously has a credibility problem - and whether you want to believe what he says or not, it's up to you. The fact is that Nikolic was involved in the Srebrenica Genocide; to what extent - it's hard to conclude, because of his credibility problems. Serbian defence lawyers have submitted many false evidence to the tribunal. For example, they downloaded Afghany jihadist videos from the internet and portrayed them as Bosnian videos of execution of Serbs; falsified papers showing that Naser Oric was head of Teritorial Defense of Srebrenica in 1992 when in fact he wasn't (also, his signature was falsified by Serbian 'special interests'), etc.
I invite you to my blog: http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/
Best Regards,
Daniel
Daniel, my apologies for taking so long to reply. I actually have a life outside of exposing NATO governments lies & corporate media propaganda in the service of those governments.
You write:
" According to your reasoning, not even Holocaust crime could be proved..."
Nice try Daniel. Srebrenica ISN'T the Holocaust, they are light years apart in both scope and evidence, so please don't try to equate the two.
The problem with you using the Holocuast as a relativist argument to substantiate the validity of Srebrenica is that you aren't Jewish, you aren't a Holocaust scholar or historian, you haven't lost any relatives in the Holocaust, you haven't studied the Holocaust or the overwhelming evidence to back up its authenticity to make such an outrageous comment. You may think that the Holocaust only had anecdotal evidence, and hence my demand for proof in the case of Srebrenica you ridiculously infer as some kind of "Holocaust Denial" which is obviously why you named your blog "Srebrenica genocide denial".
As far as your claim: "..it does not change the fact that over 8,000 Bosniaks were slaughtered in Srebrenica.."
The REAL fact is that a whopping 3,010 of the names matching your alleged "Srebrenica massacre victims" were all very much alive in 1996/1997 when they voted in the Bosnian elections! An election which, we were told over and over by the media, was strictly supervised and scrutinized by the European O.S.C.E organization to prevent election vote fraud.
Either 3,010 dead Bosnian muslims were capable of miraculously getting up & walking out of their graves and voting in Bosnia's 1996/97 elections [their names were registered by the European O.S.C.E on their voting lists] or you are accusing the O.S.C.E of massive election fraud. Take your pick.
http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1903.htm
http://www.srebrenica-report.com
http://www.balkanpeace.org/cib/bos/
boss/boss13.shtml
http://www.balkanpeace.org/cib/bos/boss/boss18.shtml
The overwhelming evidence for the World War 2 Holocaust of millions of Jews and non-Jews alike came from the perpetrators of the crime - Nazi Germany - as well as its allies such as the Bosnian muslims & Croats in the SS Handzar & Kama divisions as well as Bosnian muslim members of the Croatian National Socialist SS known as the Ustasha in Bosnia Herzegovina which was from 1941 to 1945 part of the so-called "Independent State of Croatia".
In a nutshell, you don't know jack about the Holocaust, because if you did you would NEVER try and equate the Holocaust with Srebrenica. By calling your blog "Srebrenica genocide denial" you are implying that anybody who dares ask for proof of the Islamist Izetbegovic SDA government claim that 7,000 or 8,000 [or was it 10,000 or 15,000?] Bosnian muslims were executed in July 1995 is somehow the same as a "Holocuast denier".
See: "Exploiting genocide; Brendan O'Neill on how 'Holocaust relativists' on both Left and Right use the greatest crime in history for political ends"
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/spectator012106.htm
"Hijacking the Holocaust"
http://www.emperors-clothes.com/articles/emoff/hijack.htm
To equate the alleged "Srebrenica massacre" with the World War 2 Holocaust is grossly insulting to the millions of victims of the Nazis' systematic industrial scale mass extermination program. These were the true victims of the Holocaust, not some dirty ugly little civil war containing atrocities, where - at most - according to the UN's & US State Department's own figures - 94 to 100 thousand ON ALL SIDES - including soldiers AND civilians - died in 3 and a half years of bitter internecine fighting.
You shouldn't even dare to talk about the Holocaust because the policies of the person you are defending were NAZI in nature: Alija Izetbegovic, whom just happened to be an SS auxiliary & prime Bosnian muslim recruiter for Heinrich Himmler's SS Nazi Handzar division during World War 2.
To prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Izetbegovic was indeed a true Nazi, he even went so far as to RESURRECT the Bosnian muslim Nazi SS "Handzar" division with recruits consisting of various Albanian, Pakistani, Afghani cut-throat killers in 1992/1993 as his own personal praetorian body-guards!!
Alija Izetbegovic, far from being a "moderate democrat committed to a multi-ethnic Bosnia" was actually a pro-Ayatollah Khomeini Iranian backed radical Islamist fundamentalist & former Nazi SS auxiliary who openly declared that British poet, Salman Rushdie, deserved the death sentence for writing the "Satanic Verses" whilst on a trip to his favorite land of "tolerance & multi-ethnic harmony" in 1991, ISLAMIST FUNDAMENTALIST IRAN!!
Izetebegovic's intolerance for other religions & cultures apart from Islam, in Bosnia Herzegovina - especially the Serbs - both prior to [in his "Islamic Declaration" & " No East,No West Islam is the best" books ] but also during the Bosnian war in his speeches & interviews & his outright support for openly Nazi publications & articles in magazines like the Sarajevo based "Svijet" and "Vox" magazines!
http://emperors-clothes.com/bosnia/svijet.htm.
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/051.shtml
Izetbegovic's own people freely admit that he deliberately sacrificed Srebrenica as a psyops propaganda ploy for the Western media so as to obtain military intervention from NATO in order to bomb the Serbs. Izetbegovic even admitted that he manipulated the Western media by spreading unsubstantiated sensationalist stories - including the phony "rape camps" & "death camps" to former UNMIK head, Bernard Kouchner, on his deathbed in 2003.
Izetbegovic gave Osama bin Laden an official Bosnian passport in 1993 AFTER the first WTC bombing and along with Clinton's tacit support imported tens of thousands of fanatical Islamist Jihadist
[today called 'al Qaeda'] murderous cut-throats into Bosnia to slaughter Serbs [and sometimes his own muslims & Croats as well!]
Izetbegovic's cohorts in the SDA party also deliberately MURDERED innocent Bosnian muslims, Serbs & Croats in EVERY single one of the Sarajevo bread queue/market place massacres. THAT IS A FACT. It was exposed in the Dutch intelligence report during the recent enquiry into the behavior of the UN Dutchbat in Bosnia.
As I wrote in my article,
I base my conclusions on Srebrenica being a hoax on actual LACK OF evidence: you base your conclusions of it being a "proven fact" based on mainstream corporate media reports which based their conclusions on nothing more than press releases of Izetbegovic's SDA government run "ministry of information", NATO/EU government press releases and the NATO-run and NATO/Soros funded kangaroo court known as the ICTY at The Hague - in other words unsubstantiated hearsay evidence & outright LIES.
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/jatras3.html
Here is what Andy Wilcoxson, the webmaster of
http//www.slobodan-milosevic.org, had to say about your comments:
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I would like to know which "Serbian lawyers" he is talking about. This
guy's claims are far too vague to be taken seriously.
There's no way that 6,000 bodies are stacked-up in the Tuzla morgue. I have seen numbers ranging from 2,000 to 4,000. Out of all those bodies,
the number of identified corpses is still less than 300.
A pile of corpses does not equal genocide. There was heavy fighting in and around Srebrenica and a lot of people were killed on both sides
during the war. Muslims killed a lot of Serbs and Serbs killed a lot of Muslims. The Serbs may have wound-up with the more favorable kill ratio,but that's how one wins wars. You kill more of the enemy than they do of you. Only a military comprised of idiots would strive to achieve an even kill ratio.
I can tell you that of the corpses exhumed and identified the vast
majority are military aged men, and since a draft was in effect in
Bosnia it is quite likely that they were soldiers. When the media uses
the term "men and boys" you can more accurately replace it with the term "soldiers".
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Also, you claim that: "Many bodies of Srebrenica Genocide victims will never be found, because many of them are burned and ashes is thrown in the river of Drina."
Daniel, this attempt at explaining the lack of 8,000 bodies showing signs of execution by gunshot at close range is simply laughable.
These sorts of ludicrous claims peddled by Izetbegovic's SDA party in Sarajevo and repeated by NATO & the corporate controlled media have been thoroughly debunked & refuted in various reports by the prestigious International Strategic Studies Association based in Washington, D.C.
In their report on September 19,2003, entitled: "Srebrenica Controversy Becomes Increasingly Politicized and Ethnically Divisive, Increasing Pressure on Peacekeepers" it is made clear:
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[former BBC journalist Jonathan Rooper]...points out that the 40,000 inhabitants the UN used in July of 1995 before the capture of Srebrenica roughly matches the number of former residents accounted for in the aftermath. A commander of the Muslim-dominated Army of BiH (Bosnia-Herzegovina) later confirmed to parliament in Sarajevo that 5,000 BiH troops escaped largely intact to Tuzla while the UN registered some 35,632 civilian survivors.
While the capture of Srebrenica was reported in July 1995, as it unfolded, an international outcry only took place a month later, after Madeleine Albright, then US representative to the UN, held up a photo which she said provided evidence that thousands of Muslim victims had been buried at field near Nova Kasaba, 19 kilometers from Srebrenica. Excavations which took place following the war, however, yielded 33 bodies at Nova Kasaba. Two years after the event, a total of 400 bodies had been found at 20 sites near Srebrenica, an area which had seen bloody fighting over a three year period.
Instead of acknowledging that there was no support for the original figures, Rooper says a various means were used to prop up the official story.
Spokesmen for the Clinton Administration suggested that Serbs might have moved the bodies to other locations. Rooper points out that excavating, transporting and reburying 7,000 bodies was “not only beyond the capabilities of the thinly-stretched, petrol-starved Bosnian Serb Army, but would have been easily detected under intense surveillance from satellites and geostationary drones”.
By 1998, thousands of bodies excavated from all across Bosnia were stored at the Tuzla airport. Despite state-of-the-art DNA testing, only 200 bodies have been linked to Srebrenica.
Around 3,000 names on a list of Srebrenica victims compiled by the Red Cross matched voters in the Bosnian election in 1996. “I pointed out to the OSCE that there had either been massive election fraud or almost half the people on the ICRC missing list were still alive,” says Rooper. “The OSCE finally responded that the voting lists had been locked away in warehouses and it would not be possible for them to investigate.”
http://128.121.186.47/ISSA/reports/Balkan/Sep1903.htm
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Former United Nations Military Observer in Bosnia,Carlos Martins Branco, who was on the ground in Bosnia when the supposedly "de-militarized safe zone" [it was NEVER de-militarized] of Srebrenica "fell" in 1995, revealed the following back in the late 90's:
"...If there had been a premeditated plan of genocide, instead of attacking in only one direction, from the south to the north - which left the hypothesis to escape to the north and west, the Serbs would have established a siege in order to ensure that no one escaped. The UN observation posts to the north of the enclave were never disturbed and remained in activity after the end of the military operations. There are obviously mass graves in the outskirts of Srebrenica as in the rest of ex-Yugoslavia where combat has occurred, but there are no grounds for the campaign which was mounted, nor the numbers advanced by CNN."
"The mass graves are filled by a limited number of corpses from bothsides, the consequence of heated battle and combat and not the result of a premeditated plan of genocide, as occurred against the Serbian populations in Krajina, in the Summer of 1995, when the Croatian armyimplemented the mass murder of all Serbians found there. In this instance,the media maintained an absolute silence, despite the fact that the genocide occurred over a three month period..."
http://emperors-clothes.com/sreb/branco-1.htm
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Here is what UN Dutch Captain Schouten who was also on the ground in Bosnia when the supposed "de-militarized safe haven" of Srebrenica fell to the Bosnian Serb VRS army:
"Everybody is parroting everybody, but nobody shows hard evidence. I notice that in the Netherlands people want to prove at all costs that genocide has been committed. (...) If executions have taken place, the Serbs have been hiding it damn well. Thus, I don’t believe any of it. The day after the collapse of Srebrenica, July 13, I arrived in Bratunac and stayed there for eight days. I was able to go wherever I wanted to. I was granted all possible assistance; nowhere was I stopped."
(Captain Schouten was the only UN military officer in Bratunac at the time a massacre is alleged.)
Srebrenica. The name accuses: massacre. 7000 to 8000 dead.
But did it happen?
General R. Krstic, commander of the Bosnian Serb troops who took Srebrenica in July 1995 has been seized by NATO, put on trail for war crimes.
Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic and Commanding General Mladic are indicted, hunted, trashed as criminals in the media. Virtually the entire Bosnian Serb leadership is under threat of arrest for Srebrenica.
But did it happen?
Srebrenica is NATO's remedy; it compensates all sins. Did the Croatian Army drive more than 200,000 Serbs from the Krajina section of Yugoslavia? Were the Croats trained, led and given air cover by US forces? Yes, but what about Srebrenica?
Didn't the Serbs deserve it?
By telling and retelling the story of Srebrenica over the past four and a half years the media has been able to portray the Bosnian Islamist fighters as victims and therefore humane.
Naser Oric was the Islamist Commander at Srebrenica. This gentleman met with journalists, showed them videos of the bodies of Serbian civilians decapitated by his troops during raids on nearby villages. Oric's boasts had a purpose: to instill terror. During World War II, pro-Nazi Islamist and Croatian Ustashe forces slaughtered Serbian peasants. Every Serbian family lost people. Every Serbian family remembers. By carrying out such terror in the '90s, and boasting of it, the Islamist forces were waging a psychological war. The message to Serbs was: 'We're back. Flee or die.'
But what about the Serbs? Did they respond in kind?
The following article, though definitely not 'pro-Serb' (as you shall see, the writers assume there must be some truth to the charges) nevertheless presents strong evidence that:
1) Islamist forces in Srebrenica waged a war of terror terror against Serbian civilians in nearby villages;
2) The supposed eyewitness accounts of a Serbian revenge massacre, though much trumpeted by the mass media, are not credible. Not only do witnesses contradict one another, but they tell different stories to different reporters;
3) There is no hard evidence that a massacre took place;
4) The western media routinely report mutually contradictory anti-Serb rumors as if they were unquestionably true;
5) Serbian observers have been falsely quoted as admitting the massacre took place;
6) And perhaps most important, Dutch military officers (the UN officers at the scene when the Serbs took Srebrenica in 1995) reported there was no massacre.
Comments above by Jared Israel.
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http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/falsely.htm
Also your claims that "Serb lawyers" at The Hague 'trial' "...downloaded Afghany jihadist videos from the internet and portrayed them as Bosnian videos of execution of Serbs" is laughable.
There would be NO need for "Serb lawyers" [which you don't name] to do such a thing since there are plenty of such videos being OPENLY SOLD in Bosnian cultural centers with the full blessing of the Bosnian muslim authorities.
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/deja.htm
Also, where you state:
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"The question is: How can you defend yourself against murder charges when videotaped evidence shows YOU laughing and shooting at civilians? (I'm sure you will give me some twisted reasoning, again)."
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Daniel,which video are you talking about where someone is laughing/smiling after having killed innocent civilians?
Are you talking about this videotape?:
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/video.wmv
Or maybe this one?:
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/beheading.wmv
http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/vn061405.htm
Or perhaps you are referring to Alija Izetbegovic's Bosnian Muslim warlord, Naser Oric and his "Greatest Hits Video" compilation of hideously brutal mass murders of thousands of Serbian elderly women, men, and young children, in and around Srebrenica & Gorazde from 1992 to 1995 where Mr. Oric LAUGHS [and smiles] as he is watching these videos in front of US newspaper reprters from the Washington Post & the Toronto Star:
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/oric.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/analysis/gorazde.htm
http://slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg030904.htm
For photographs of Alija Izetbegovic's muslim warlord, Naser Oric and his muslim buddies' atrocities against Serbian civilians in Gorazde & Srebrenica:
http://www.serbianna.com/features/srebrenica/002.shtml
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The major conclusion from Morillon's testimony was this: The fall of Srebrenica in 1995 was the 'direct reaction' to the massacres of Bosnian Serbs by Naser Oric's forces in 1992-1993. Morillon acknowledged that Oric's troops had committed war crimes in eastern Bosnia. Morillon personally witnessed the exhumation of the bodies of Bosnian Serb civilians and soldiers who had been tortured, mutilated, and executed. He saw with his own eyes the Serbian villages that had been burned to the ground in the Srebrenica pocket. More than anyone else, Morillon understood the level of devastation in eastern Bosnia and the extent and nature of the massacres of Bosnian Serbs."
http://slobodan-milosevic.org/news/smorg030904.htm
http://news.suc.org/bydate/2004/April_26/12.html
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/jatras/002.shtml
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Daniel, since you are such a HUGE FAN & supporter of the ICTY 'trials' "justice" and "truth" then I suggest you read The Hague's indictments against al Qaeda-linked Bosnian muslims at:
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/061.shtml
Daniel, your method of personal attack by accusing someone of "twisted reasoning" for not accepting your ad hominem arguments [arguments which lack proof] shows that you have no respect, common courtesy or honor when disagreeing with somebody ele's point of view.
You appear to be unable to conduct an honest debate without resorting to this kind of dishonorable behavior - a personal attack and attempt at character assassination -in a futile attempt to discredit somebody.
It is a great pity for your cause, because if you disagree with someone, you DON'T attack them personally, you improve your argument by challenging statements with better quality analysis containing EVIDENCE/PROOF and NOT personal attacks/abuse, name calling/labelling & ad hominem specious "are you still beating your wife?" type arguments.
Case in point:
Your labelling of Emperor's Clothes writer, George Pumphrey, as an "anti-Semite" is absolutely LUDICROUS and laughable. Jared Israel -who runs Emperor's Clothes-happens to be JEWISH, and would NEVER associate himself with anyone who is "anti-Semitic".
Daniel, I wanted to rationally and honorably debate you one on one but you seem incapable of doing so without resorting to personal insults and put downs, so I will leave you with the words of Andy Wilcoxson, when I asked him if he knew about you:
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Peter,
Don't waste your time on this guy. His name is Daniel Lam, he's from
Quebec, and he is mentally incapable of having a rational discussion. I had to ban him from the Milosevic discussion because he frequently used profanity, insulted other participants in the discussion, and tried to flood the discussion.
- Andy
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Peter,
You don't know what you are talking about. You are either
a) Living in denial
b) You honestly believe into the BS you have written.
In any case, you are a lost cause. One can't help but pity you.
Dear Daniel/Anonymous,
YOU are either:
a) Living in denial
b) You honestly believe the BS YOU have written.
In any case, YOU are a lost cause. One can't help but pity YOU.
Cheers and have a nice day! :-)
Peter.
PS: When you can actually provide documented concrete PROOF for any of your claims concerning your amateur psycho-analysis of me and what I have written, please do so.
But remember to quote YOUR sources.
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